I am currently at my 13th ascension of this transcension. This trans I got ~75K AS, and barring Borb (obviously), some Pony, Phan and Chor, all outsiders are at lvl 5. Prev trans Kari'qua was at lvl 95, Phan was 2K, Chor was 150 (maxed out), lowest ancient was at 35. Last transcension began at ~41K AS, zone cap was still z~1.3K, so recommended AS allocation was drastically different (and I took some liberties and overinvested in Phan & Pony), but it's a perfect way of seeing the actual difference most Outsiders actually make: CSV files from my current and last transcension. If you want to spare yourself reading all the in-depth math rundown of why these calcs where made and how they work, please allow me to pull some data out of my. The result: the main focus past 27K AS is traversing more zones, aka Borb. The new outsiders -Raqueist, Kariqua, etc.- were intended to make a difference in that sense, but ultimately fail due to the second design change I mentioned above: the big paradigm shift of progressing through hero upgrades vs. #100, than at z200K from ascension #75 in trans #105 (see actual data below), all this at a constant 2mpz too (Kuma worked differently before dec). Since 1st mob/zone is instantly beaten (DPS allowing), technically it's 1 mpz (4 out of 5 zones since each 5th zone is a boss, aka insta-progress) vs 9 mpz, aka you can make progress up to 9 times faster thanks to Borb 27K AS you are stuck at ~25% TP and there's no way to significantly increase neither your TP nor the HS you'll be getting out of the same zones each ascension, even across transcensions unless you purposedly shoot yourself in the foot by dropping zero AS into Pony, from 27K AS onward you will be getting nearly the same HS at z200K from ascension #12 in trans. What Borb does is maintaining 2 monsters per zone (mpz) longer. What smart AS / HS allocation can do for you is greatly speed up your zone progression, meaning you will be able to reach a much higher HZE in way less time. Technically speaking, your HZ(E) is the Highest Zone you've Ever reached, and no Outsiders AS allocation will change that. I'm using Reddit user driej's outsiders calculator related thread is here:ĭriej's tool is based on Reddit user qubit64's progression calculator, which logic is explained in-depth in this thread: I'll try to answer both questions to the best of my ability. Is there are a link to those calc description you mentioned? But i'm still a little confsed - am i getting you right, that the calculators work the way they are supposed to and leveling the outsiders that way would really increase my current highest zone?

When you ascend, you can probably get away with a few thousand levels, but at that point you need to level up your heroes, then you can probably get away with a few thousand more, but at a certain point idle just won't work anymore, so timelapses won't beat levels.Originally posted by Toadie:thanks perico2palotes that explains quite a bit. So you might not be able to kill even a single boss in idle, where you can kill it in one hit with active clicking. Active mode (you're actually clicking, or using an autoclicker) is WAY better than idle mode. i did couple timelapses but its not progressing any zones ? Yeah that's why I said you can only really do it once or twice after ascending. i did couple timelapses but its not progressing any zones ?Īlso, you can put your mercs on long quests, then timelapse, in order to kill them off, so you can bury or revive them faster, to get those achievements, and Leeroy Jenkins, at a faster pace. Using the calculator, see how long your high level mercs have to live, and give them the 24 hour or 2 day ruby quests, you can actually early more rubies that way if you get lucky.Īlso, you can put your mercs on long quests, then timelapse, in order to kill them off, so you can bury or revive them faster, to get those achievements, and Leeroy Jenkins, at a faster pace.

You can also use rubies to get more rubies. Revive low levels mercs to work towards the revive achievements.Īfter ascending, use 8 hour timelapse to get 2k zones ahead to save a ton of time (only works once or twice after ascending, then you can't beat zones without active click damage).Īt much higher levels you use rubies to quick ascend, so you don't have to waste hours upon hours getting back to where you were. Originally posted by Jon.Topps:Do not revive high level mercs unless they have the ability to get to 25, so you can grab that achievement.īuy some autoclickers (they increase your overall click DPS).

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